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still insisting there's important work to get done in the final weeks of 2010. he's counting on bipartisan support. i'm going to leave that alone. what can they get done while the old congress is in town and the democrats are still in charge? john harwood is our cnbc chief washington correspondent. he joins us now. >> he's going to meet with them. i do think the president is trying to take care. not to appear small minded. he's taken flak. the republicans have criticized theç scheduling at the white house. the president is trying to say, whatever, if they want to meet later, they'll meet later. they will get some things done in this lame duck. >> i want to get to the lame duck in a second. if the president doesn't want to be small minded by changing the
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schedule around, does that mean the republicans were small minded? >> well, the republicans have been saying for some time, cenk, that they had scheduled problems with the meeting, and the president when he announced the meeting at the news conference a few weeks ago post election, they have not fully vented on the schedule. the back and forth escalated in recent days, and there was gainsmanship on both sides. still, this is not at the level of the rem gipublicans giving t back of their hands to the president yet. >> policy matters a lot more than where or when they meet up. on that issue, what are the democrats going to propose in the lame duck session? >> that's part of what this leadership meeting among democratic leaders and obama was about at the white house today was coming up on a strategy on
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tax cuts. democrats still have as their nominal position that they want a permanent extension of the cuts. in reality. they're moving towards a compromise that will extend the rates for everyone. is everyone temporary or is some permanent? where it's going is going to be a two or three week extension for everyone across the board. >> that's my sense of it, two years as well. real quick, one more follow-up question. harry reid is bringing up don't ask, don't tell repeal in the senate. how does that look? does it look like a chance of passing? >> republicans will have to make some calculations. whether or not they appear disrespectful to the gayç community, which is -- pup lick attitudes are changing pretty
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rapidly. we saw that on our journal poll. my guess would be it doesn't come at the end. there's a reason the president has chosen to escalate the discussion on the stark treaty. that's where he wants to push his treaty, extending that nuclear arms treaty. >> all right. thank you, john harwood. we appreciate it. now, is time running out for president obama to satisfy his progressive base? right now there are signs coming from big time democratic donors like billionaire george soros that their patience is running out. he told a group of progressive donors that it's time to move on from obama. those are strong words, but what does that mean? and how would progressives proceed without the president? and there are reports the president may move on from larry summers for his top economic adviser. he may be one of the few democrats in the country who are more pro wall street than
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summers. is there any hope that the president will do something progressive? bill press is all a radio ta tatal talk show host. they both join us now. bill, i know you think the president has done things that are progressive. educate me. why am i being too tough on him. >> all three of us are members of the professional left. i've been accused of that at the white house. i don't think as lefties we can be too tough on him. i think we have to keep the pressure on, give him credit when he's right. really keep the pressure on when it looks like he's caving in. i've been disappointed like you have on many fronts. in the end you also have to accept that he's had zero cooperation from republicans. zero cooperation from a lot of democrats. he's only been there 20 months. he inherited a mess. frankly i'm surprised he's been able to get as much done as he has so far.
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i'm not saying ease up. i'm saying you have to be realistic as çwell. >> david, let me ask you in the goofy way people often ask on tv, give me a report card. you're a tough, strong progressive. i don't expect you'll give him an "a." but what grade do you give him? >> i don't mean to cop out, but it'sen incomplete. the bush tax cuts and the afghanistan war are the key issues. extending them temporarily, all of them, after campaigning against them would be a little democratic president going on record saying even temporarily the bush economic vision is a smart economic vision. that would be a huge, huge failure. walking away, publicly walking away from a commitment to start drawing down troops from afghanistan, as we've heard in the news that the obama administration is proposing.
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the next few months will tell us what that is. >> bill, on those two issues. obama looks like he's going to compromise on the bush tax cuts. if they extend them two more years, you may get a republican president and then they extend them forever in 2012. that's a huge compromise if you're being kind. and then you have roger aldeman replacing larry summers, possibly. doesn't it seem like it's always the conservative choice? >> i want to add to david's list. i think don't ask, don't tell is a big test right now. extending the unemployment benefits is a big test, too. on the tax cuts, i think it's a huge mistake to compromise at all. the president made the case. we should not borrow $800 billion, $700 billion from the chinese to give millionaires a tax cut. you ought to stick to that. you ought to put it up for a
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vote. make the republicans vote against middle class tax cuts without an option to extend the tax cuts, even for two years. you guys are both right. if they extend it two years, then another two years, then another two years. them permanent. as far as roger goes, i have to tell you, yeah, let's put paul in there. put somebody on our side in there. >> so we literally have not had a show on the program that has disagreed. everybody says fight on the tax cuts. yet somehow obama decides no, we're not going to fight on the tax cuts. where is he getting his advice? why does he always go the establishment way? and how do you move him off of that. >> the answer is there was a conflict on what he campaigned on. he campaigned on the most
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progressive platform in a generation. ultimately the republicans were never going to accept a progressive agenda. the agenda he campaigned on. so he's decided to prioritize quote, unquote, an attempt at bipartisanship over his key progressive promises. why is ha happening? for two reasons. one, the culture of washington says that democrats and particularly progressives have to capitulate to republicans. and you have to look at money. this is a president who raised more money from wall street than any president in history. then the third and final point is this, he is not afraid of his progressive base. he is not afraid that progresses are going to push him, are going to primary him. are going to primary members of congress who capitulate with him. that's part of the dynamic here. >> you brought up a primary word, bill. >> i just got to add, the president has not yet, he's given indications he may be
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ready, but he's not said he's ready to go for the two-year extension. we ought to be keeping the pressure on him. i know today nancy pelosi and steny hoyer said it's a mistake to compromise. now is the time to really çfig. >> how about the primary idea? is that too much? would it hurt the president too much? is it a good idea to pressure him in that way? even if the primary does not succeed? >> just for my -- i have to tell you, i love primaries. i think the more kind of challenges that we have the better. i would love to see russ feingold and bernie sanders. adeal ticket. that's not going to happen. a primary fight. but obama will be our candidate in 2012. >> if george is right, david, and i know you've said similar things about moving on without the president. how? how? as the guy who is supposed to be
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the progressive president, if he's not doing what you think he should be doing, how do you move on without him? >> well, what i heard is more resources and more organizing needs to go into progressive movement building as opposed the to bowing down to any one presidential candidate or congressional candidate. we need more investment in moving organizing. that's organizing around a set of issues. not around any one individual. the conservatives have a true conservative movement. the progressives need to invest more in movement building. organizing again around a set of issues that you're willing to pressure both political parties and any president on. >> speaking of issues, one more thing, bill, the biggest issue is campaign finance reform. >> right. right. >> hold on one quick second. the republicans are doing a press conference. this ought to be interesting.
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let's listen in. >> and a new leadership team. as you heard me say before, this is not about us. it's about the american people. it's the american people who were in charge. and they want a congress that focuses on the people's priorities. cutting, spending, creating jobs and reforming a way congress does itsz work. republicans have made a pledge to listen to the american people and a pledge to focus on their priorities. that's exactly what we're going to do. we're going to focus on creating jobs, cutting, spending and reforming the way congress does its business. we're going to fight for a more accountable government here in washington, d.c. today republicans adopted an earmark ban that shows the american people that were listening and serious about any business as usual here in washington, d.c. we hope the president will work
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with us on all these priorities. i also want to say how proud i am of the leadership team that our members have elected. we have a team that represents the broad consensus of our party, the broad diversity of our party, and i'm looking forward to working with them on dealing with the priorities that the american people have sent us here to deal with. >> we'll cut back to that if they say something relevant. did you get anything out of that? >> that was just total b.s. first of all, this is a day that boehner and mitch mcconnell were supposed to meet with the president. they're too busy putting out this republican propaganda. number one, they want to cut spending at the same time, they're asking for $800 billion for tax cuts for the wealthy. they want to reform the way washington has worked. this gang has not cooperated
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with president obama on one issue in two years. they're total obstructionists. the american people don't want that. the president will be on tv right now saying john, you're lying to the american people. >> real quick, dave. on the issue of earmarks, don't you have to give them credit? they did in their own caucus vote against it. >> my take on earmarks may be controversial. but i'm not for a plan that takes spending power out ov the united states congress and gives more power to the executive branch. a ban on earmarks asç opposed transparency in earmarks is just a huge power giveaway to the president and a trampling of the constitution. this is a distraction from where the real problem is in our budget, the defense budget, tax breaks for the rich, as bill said, and corporate subsidies and the like. >> david, you are absolutely right. i just made that point to robert gibbs at a briefing inside.
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>> david sirota and bill press. no question about where you stand. thank you for joining us. up next, a rebel yell by a tea party politician works. why jim demint may be the real leader of the republican party. plus -- >> if you ran for president, could you beat barack obama? >> i believe so. >> it's her strongest words yet about a potential presidential run. how does sarah palin get where she is? and is she for real? [ male announcer ] don't let aches and pains in the morning
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republican senator jim demint storted tea party candidates during the midterm campaign defied if gop
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establishment, and that helped to solidify his credentials within the tea party çmovement. marco rubio in florida and rand paul in kentucky benefitted in a big way from his backing in their senate victories. and despite mitch mcconnell's calling demint's crusade -- he caved and agreed to a ban on earmarks. hi calls earmarks, quote, the gateway drug to socialism. who is senator jim demint, and what does he really want? michael y michael crowley profiled him in the washington times and he joins me from washington. the big headline from the profile? what's the sense you have of demint? >> well, he's determined to keep plowing ahead, and he's not
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interested in the strain, the school of thought in the republican party that says be careful. don't overreach that you have to reel the tea party passions in a little bit, and if you try to push too hard on cutting government, you're going to scare away the middle of the country. independent voters. he thinks there will be more candidates to come in 2012. >> is jim demint oo success of populism? am i seeing that right? >> yeah, i do think there's a populous strain to it. i think demint has been in washington for a while. but i think he does a good job of presenting himself as being outside the system. it's the theme we've seen so
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many times. there's a washington establishment that is caught up dm its own rules. earmarks are a good example of this. they're caught up in the internal system. and demint stands outside of it. he sees it the way an ordinary american does. he's saying stop theç madness. in reality, as your previous segment indicated, earmarks don't amount to that much spending. the question is whether he and his party can push through the big cuts in government and spending that they're talking about that will be a lot less popular. that's going to be the interesting thing to watch. >> he really marshalled these tea party forces and populous forces. on one hand they push for benefits to the most rich and powerful people in the country that cut tax cuts for the wealthy. they give, you know, regulatory breaks to wall street and to big oil. how do they reconcile that, or do they not even try?
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>> i think what someone like demint would say is the thing that is not said out loud in republican politics but is true is it's supply side economics. it's trickle down. it's a belief that big business and the wealthy drive economic growth in the country and the prosperity trickles down. a lot of people would disagree with that. i think that's how someone like jim demint would defend it. the big contradiction with the republican party is it's surging on a movement -- on a kind of grass roots populist movement. they want them taxed at a lower rate. that's a big democratic proposal just wiped off the board by the midterm elections. someone like jim demint may tell you.
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>> i think the average republican voter is probably not aware of how much the proposals are going to help wall street. lower tax rates, et cetera. but jim demint is aware. the money came from billionaires. then i begin to wonder, is he earnest, or is this all a shell game so in the end elite win anyway and this is a clever way of doing it? >> well, i'm not going to try to guess his motives. but i think the argument you would get from republicans in response is they feel like big business in america creates the jobs, but i think you're right. there is a tension. this is a tension they are going to have to resolve at some point because there's a populist wing of the party and there's a business elite wing of the party. in many ways they overlap.
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for instance, the chamber of commerce is not completely on board with the republican agenda going forward from here. it makes the chamber commerce nervous. that's a tension that is going to have to be resolved. it hasn't yet. that's going to be an interesting thing to watch in the next several months. >> could the earmarks have a different agenda? yeah, they don't cut a lot of money. but if you don't have the earmarks, it's hard to make political deals. and if you don't make more deals, then you have more obstruction. could that be it? >> this is the best cay kis you can make for gettingry rid of earmarks. earmarks are used to buy off votes. we need to on the giant spending bill, what if we promise you
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this bridge in your district that's wasteful, but you get to brag to your constituents about it. or a member of congress wants to get a corporation or lobbyist to donate to his campaign. and we've seen suggestions this is happening. that an earmark is targeted at a particular business. in return a company support for a member of congress. that's where earmarks can be pretty insidious. but the budget savings are not that great. so, is this a way to have more obstruction? i don't know the answer to that. a lot of people see earmarks differently. but those are theç bis argumen for getting rid of them. >> there is a principled case for getting rid of earmarks so you don't do the wheeling and dealing. thank you so much for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> all right. coming up, what makes sarah palin so popular among
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coming up, how has sarah palin managed to build such a huge following? we'll look at what's behind the republican's popularity. plus, joe miller tweets about house hunting in d.c. before the alaska senate race is called. that turns out to be a disastrous decision. we'll explain. # to stay fit, you might also want to try lifting one of these. a unique sea salt added to over 40 campbell's condensed soups. helps us reduce sodium, but not flavor. so do a few lifts. campbell's.® it's amazing what soup can do.™
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back to cenk in a moment. the chief council for the house ethics committee recommended that new york congressman charlie rangel be censured. we're waiting to hear if the ethics committee will agree with that recommendation. they found him guilty of 11 out of 13 charges of ethics violations involving financial
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misconduct. he denied his behavior was corrupt. >> it would really help, and i don't think it's out of the line if the committee didn't say before that you could put in that report no matter what you agree the sanctions should be, that your member was not corrupt, and did not seek and did not gain anything personally for the bad conduct that i've had. >> if the censure recommendation is carried out, it would be the most serious expulsion given out by the house. house republicans blocked a bill to extend jobless benefits through the end of february. the most recent expires december 1st. 2 million people will lose benefits. the measure would have added $12.5 million to the nation's debt. >> haiti's cholera outbreak has reached florida. they live in a reach at the heart of the epidemic.
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the woman has since recovered. the disease has killed 1,100 haitian. florida health officials are investigating cholera elsewhere in the states. they have issued warnings for those returning from haiti. a boycott in arizona in the wake of the controversial immigration law has hit the state hard. the state lost $140 million in meeting and convention business. it was issued by the center for american progress. after a judge put the most controversial parts of the immigration law on hold, some called for the boycott to end. those are the headlines. now back to cenk. yesterday you were talking about the politician alvinç greene w apparently is the man. if he's the man, then who is the woman. >> well, that would have to be veronica de la cruz. >> i personally thing, cenk,
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that cenk uygur is the man. >> you are the greatest individual ever. when senator john mccain picked sarah palin as his running mate, few people outside of alaska had heard her name. but she has turned a failed run for vice president into a multimillion dollar fortune complete with adoring fans, a best-selling book, and another one coming out next week, actually. a tv gig, millions of facebook friends. and the kind of power and persuasion most people spend decades trying to acquire. how has she done it? is she for real or a fake? that's controversial. let's have fun. jonathan capehart is an msnbc contributor and editorial writer for the "washington post." libby casey is a reporter with alaska public rid owe. >> hey, cenk. >> let's start with a controversial question. she has all this stuff going. in reality, she quits the
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governors race to make millions of dollars. are you buying the populist stances she has going? >> well is she for real or is she fake? i think she's for real, but she's not really running for president. ultimately she's not going to run for president. she's riding the wave of popularity that she earned being the number two on the republican ticket in 2008. she's riding it all the way to this the bank. she's riding it all the way to popularity and being in the forefront of political discussion. we talk about sarah palin. we being the media, every day. every tweet. every facebook message. she's on top of the world. >> that's a great point. do you think her gaps help her in some way. when she does the refudiate tweet, you can't help but talk about it. when you do you're adding to her star power. >> it sends the message to americanspá she's fallible,
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she's normal like a lot of other people. when i interview supporters of sarah palin, that's what they like about her the most. they can relate to her. that's a connection that a lot of supporters have. and she talks about god and her religion very openly. we're not hearing from many politicia politicians. when i do talk to supporters -- i was at the glenn beck rally. the supporters said i really like sarah palin. i relate to her. i love what she's doing on the national stage. i don't want to see her run for president. she's doing a good job with the battle cry, being the warrior on the trail. i misheard her.
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my theory is she's hot, and she's a populist. it gets to people. like libby was saying. they think she's real. but i'm not sure it's working. it's a brand new nbc news "wall street journal" poll. when asked how well does palin represent the middle class, only 16% said very well. 44% said not very well. so is that going to the core audience there, or is that just the majority of americans saying we're not buying her populist rhetoric? >> if you look at sarah palin's poll numbers, her favorable ratings are actually not very good at all. her disapproval rating is in the 50s. the low 50s. as she was saying she talked to the folk t a the glenn beck rally.
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he's been talking to tea party people around the country for months. they love her. they think she's terrific. they connect with her. but they don't think she's ready to be president. for her to go on entertainment tonight to say that she's thinking abowt@running, for he to tell "the new york times" magazine that she's thinking about running is all part of an elaborate strategy and game to keep her name out there and viable and in our consciousness just so she can keep the ultimate goal going. that's to provide for her family. >> in that new york times magazine article, fred was quoted. he said this is what he told her. he said, she said to him, i have a long commute from my house to my office. i don't have the funds to pay for my family to travel with me. turnd laws of alaska, anybody can file suit or an ethics charge against me, and i have to
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defend it on my own. i'm going into debt. even though he said, listen, if you want to be a real candidate for president or anything else, you have to stay in the governor's office, she gave him that quote then a couple weeks later ran for the hills was this all about the money? >> no, i don't think so. i think sarah palin felt like she was thrust on the defensive. we certainly knew about her in alaska. she was very popular f when she came back, the climate completely changed. people were looking at her with more scrutiny. she felt under the attack. sarah palin operates for the gut. she thought this is not fun anymore. this is not holding my interest anymore. it's time to move onto something else. but this has been an incredibly lucrative venture for her. she's getting paid an incredible amount of money for the tlc series running. she has a new book coming out and she'll be doing tours that all adds to her wealth.
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maybe sarah palin is not going to run for president, even though she's talking about it. in addition to operateg from her gut, from her instincts and listening to her husband todd and talking with her family, she also has this faith element, where she believes if god opens a door for me, i need to walk through that. that's something she talked about as a vp candidate. if the opportunities come out, how can you say no? >> godç opened the door of the bank for her, because she's made a ton of money. for her critics who criticize her intelligence, some may be on this program. maybe we're not so right because look. she's made more money than the rest of us combined. >> you know, cenk, i've always said she's incredibly savvy. she's smart. not in in the way that say president obama is smart. but she's definitely smart. she's a multimillionaire now.
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>> and people of alaska didn't think she was unintelligent when they elected her. i'm not here to speculate on her i.q. that's someone who the voters have connected with in alaska and on the national level. she did play the role of king maker or queen make ner the elections. not in alaska. where lisa murkowski pulls out this win over the sarah palin endorsed candidate. lisa murkowski was still labeled to win. >> thank you both. >> thanks, cenk. now it looks like joe miller was ahead of himself tweeting about a move to washington before the votes of the senate race were tallied. plus new research shows americans are redefining what it means to be a family. ♪ [ upbeat instrumental ]
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in the old days, everybody was supposed to get married. raising a family without a spouse isn't even in the discussion. now we're having a discussion. four out of ten americans say marriage is obsolete. according to a new poll from "time" magazine and the pew research center. maybe dan quayle was right after all. and joe miller was super confident about winning the alaska senate race, enough that he started to tweet about his big move to washington before he won. and then, oops, he didn't win. and andy harris ran against health care, but now he wants it. and as my dad would say.
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he wants it right away! comedian jimmy door is joining us live from burbank. is marriage obsolete? >> i don't think marriage is obsolete if you fit a certain category. let's say you're gay and want to be a movie star, marriage comes in handy. let's say you have a medical condition that makes you extremely allergic to super hot sex. marriage comes in handy. >> because i have a wife i will not agree to that. >> let's say you're rush limbaugh or newt gingrich and you're just bored on sunday, marriage comes in handy. >> i'm going to leave that alone. onto joe miller. i love these tweets. in the middle of the campaign, he starts saying i think i'll do some house hunting while i'm in d.c. guess i should pick out some
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office furniture as well while i'm in d.c. then this is a matter ofç the name plaque for the door. then my sincere appreciation from the warm welcome from future colleagues in d.c. okay. and then he turns around and loses. was this the single cockiest politician of our life. >> house hunting in alaska, is that when you shoot your house from helicopter? and you know that joe miller was doing all this house hunting and furniture shopping during his lunch break on his coworkers' computers. >> he got in trouble for that on a separate case. he's high stepping. he's at his own 30 yard line. he's ready to swipe the ball do you think there's any chance that's why he lost?
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you know, sticking to his true core values as a tea partyer, they are sticklers for spelling. >> and health care reform, i want none of it. then they get into a meeting talking about what kind of health care they're going to get as congressmen. and he finds out for 20 or 30 days he's not going to have health care, and he goes, why can't i buy into the government plan. what do you think? >> he runs against government health care. then the day he gets to washington he wants it. did he also run for irony?
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his constituents have voted for him to make it harder for them to buy health insurance. this is a classic american thing to do, vote against your own interest. like when i grew up people were reagan democrats, working people voting for reagan, which is like gay mexicans voting for mccain. it doesn't make any sense. >> all right. we're going to leave it right there. comedian jim my dore, thank you for joining us. >> thanks for having me, cenk. >> no problem. any time. next, my takeaway on terrorist trials. should we have them here in new york city and what can we learn about what happened to the nazis? delivers extra strength pain relief, plus it fights fatigue. so get up and get going with new bayer am, the morning pain reliever.
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s yesterday, amend guy lan was convicted of trying to blow up buildings. he will get 20 years to life. he was tried in new york city and guess what disastrous thing happened during the trial?
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nothing. remember when the republicans were demagoguing that if we tried any of the guantanamo detainees here in new york there would be mayhem and more attacks and huge security costs? well, none of that happened. none. they tried him and convicted him like we've done with any criminal for over 200 years, our justice system worked and we didn't have to change it because some in this country are scared of çterrorists. they have a name by the way. they're called republican politicians. so what was the lesson on the rest of the media learned from this? that it would be harder for obama to close guantanamo bay now. what? why? because they say he was acquitted of the other charges against him. here's my response. so what. our system doesn't presume that someone is guilty before the trial. that's why it's the best in the world. some conservatives say that al-qaeda just cuts people's heads off without a trial.
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that's right. that's why we're better than him. we just gave this guy who we believe helped to kill 324 a fair trial. that says something great about us. unfortunately though, washington congressional wisdom seems to be that we can't afford to give anybody else from gitmo a fair trial like this one because they might be acquitted. the republicans make it seem like the mere act of trying them here means they'll be released here and joining your family barbecue. even if some were acquitted, they'll be released to their home country, not here. and did it occur to anyone that some at gitmo aren't guilty? i know in washington, that's sack religion. we have to maintain that everyone is 100% guilty because when we weren't looking, we renamed the country saudi
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arabia. remember, we tried the nazis. some were acquitted. think about that. we were willing to give the nazis fair trials and the world loved and respected us for it. they wanted to be as fair and decent as us. we did that in the face of great evil because that is how mighty and strong we were. are we that strong now? are we that just now? well, we're going to find out soon enough when president obama decides whether he's going to close guantanamo bay and bring those trials here. the crimes were committed in new york. they should be tried in new york. we've got to believe in our system. it is the best justice system in the world and i will defend it as long asç i'm here and i hop you'll join me on that. i'm cenk uygur. you can always find me on the young turks, but also at 3:00 for the rest of november here at msnbc of course. dylan ratigan show is fantastic. they've got a lot of great topics coming up.
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